Originally Posted by Speedracer42 (Post 290220)

And Rider this response was not directed at you. "You" being the guys who talk about intentionally putting the bike down.

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290240)

:lol

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motiva...f94b4c7ef8.jpg

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290235)

Of course you would pick the numbers I picked from my head to counter the argument. Of course those numbers were approximations, I wasn't looking at the speedo when I looped, nor did I use a micrometre to measure the exact distance I slid. I made the assumption that you would get that from my nice round numbers that had a "25" foot variable thrown in.

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290235)

All I'm gonna say is, I've never seen a pro in a race "have" to lay it down. Nor have I ever heard of anybody leaping from their car to lessen their impact.

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290235)

If you have to choose between going off of a cliff or laying it down, you absolutely positively have more control being on the brakes and steering. As opposed to being thrown around/rolling/sliding with your skin acting as the brakes. Tires have much much more grip than tissue and blood.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus (Post 290255)

I'm just surprised you didn't use meters instead of feet. :lol:



Race tracks don't generally have Dump Trucks parked sideways in the corners.



Once again, it's not a substitute for braking and maneuvering, it's a fall back option for when braking and maneuvering aren't working.

Ok, a question for all of you. You're headed for the edge of a cliff at Mach 10, and you have a catastrophic brake failure. Let's say you blew a line, and grabbed a big hand full of nothing. Rare? Sure. Impossible? No.

What's the plan?

JC

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290267)

Your scenario is irrelevant..

You're trying to comparing the rolling friction of the wheels, to the sliding friction of your skin to the sliding friction of rubber.

Obviously if you have no brakes, you want to be as far away from the heavy thing on two rollers with bearings to cut the friction.

In your scenario, you're fucked either way.

But, ultimatlely I would likely downshift to use engine braking to slow down as much as I could. Maybe even lock up the rear by downshifting to first.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus (Post 290255)

I'm just surprised you didn't use meters instead of feet. :lol:



Race tracks don't generally have Dump Trucks parked sideways in the corners.



Once again, it's not a substitute for braking and maneuvering, it's a fall back option for when braking and maneuvering aren't working.

Ok, a question for all of you. You're headed for the edge of a cliff at Mach 10, and you have a catastrophic brake failure. Let's say you blew a line, and grabbed a big hand full of nothing. Rare? Sure. Impossible? No.

What's the plan?

JC

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 290267)

Your scenario is irrelevant..

You're trying to comparing the rolling friction of the wheels, to the sliding friction of your skin to the sliding friction of rubber.

Obviously if you have no brakes, you want to be as far away from the heavy thing on two rollers with bearings to cut the friction.

In your scenario, you're fucked either way.

But, ultimatlely I would likely downshift to use engine braking to slow down as much as I could. Maybe even lock up the rear by downshifting to first.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus (Post 290279)

Ok, so now you're heading over the cliff at Mach 5, instead of Mach 10.

Let me break this down further. Over the side of the cliff, is a 1000 foot drop, into a pool of sharks with laser beams. Do you "hope" you stop in time, or do you lowside into the guard rail?

Yes, you're fucked either way. The question is: How fucked?

JC

Originally Posted by Speedracer42 (Post 290274)

Agreed. The scenario is irrelevent. If you have catastrphic brake failure how will you dump the bike? You've got to slow it down anyway you can then bail. THAT is not what has been discussed. It was talk of abandoning a perfectly good cycle for your chances on the pavement.