IDK, my personal opinion is that yes I have laid the bike down but that I have not crashed it. Some might think them the same I do not and that's ok...it's all good...:)

On the dirt, if you don't crash you're not going fast enough. And it doesn't have to mean you're fast, just going faster than you should have. I've crashed my dirt bike many times.
I've crashed once on the street, when a deer ran out. We were going pretty slow under35 so speed wasn't a factor.

Ah but were location or time of day? Were you paying complete attention or were you "sight seeing"?

Oh sure, this is all about opinion. There is concrete proof that not everyone that rides crashes but these guys choose to ignore that and believe whatever they want.:idk:

Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot.

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lol

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No hidden meaning. Just stating that I'm on my second set (indicating that the last set slid on the concrete against my will) and that is all I'm saying on this topic.

I shall say no more on this jinx happy topic.

It was near dusk, and it was rural, though it was close to where I live which is rural.
We were just putting along, I noticed a headlight in my mirror, checked my speed a bit under 35, and my wife told me to watch the deer. It was 2 lane, in the left lane crossing was a deer, being followed by one on the right. That one veered in the direction we were going, I probably could have reached out and touched it. When my wife called out, I closed the throttle (HD twin cam), and started braking as soon as I saw them and knew where they were. I thought he was getting ready to jump across the front of the bike, and moved more toward the center of the road and increased my braking. I don't know if he hit the front tire, or I locked the front tire. But we went down.

I had lots of involvement in our crash.

It means you haven't crashed. Don't read more into it than is actually there.

Damn... and another one goes....