Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 217872)

It was near dusk, and it was rural, though it was close to where I live which is rural.
We were just putting along, I noticed a headlight in my mirror, checked my speed a bit under 35, and my wife told me to watch the deer. It was 2 lane, in the left lane crossing was a deer, being followed by one on the right. That one veered in the direction we were going, I probably could have reached out and touched it. When my wife called out, I closed the throttle (HD twin cam), and started braking as soon as I saw them and knew where they were. I thought he was getting ready to jump across the front of the bike, and moved more toward the center of the road and increased my braking. I don't know if he hit the front tire, or I locked the front tire. But we went down.

I had lots of involvement in our crash.

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 217957)

Thanks for that anyway... This is kinda funny to me. I'm the POSITIVE one for a change and everyone else is trying to prove that something negative is going to happen no matter what we do as motorcyclists. :lol:

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 217962)

We're not being negative. We're being realistic. What do you think the percentage is of people who don't wreck? What do you think the odds are of not crashing ever?

I'm really not trying to be negative. But, I bet the odds of never losing control of your motorcycle are up there with taking home a sizable sum of money in the lottery.

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 217977)

Okay, I can't find the actuarial tables but I still find it hard to believe that insurance companies would write policies knowing that 100% of their clients will eventually crash. Oh well, I just don't like absolutes I guess... If even one dork in North Dakota rides a rebel 250 for one Summer without a crash, it destroys your stated POV IMHO.

Originally Posted by Tmall (Post 217980)

If 8 people take the msf without dropping the bike once, then never ride again would you count them as well? They quit riding, to me that's worse than a crash. IMHO

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R (Post 217994)

I'm not going to say everyone will crash, as that can probably be proven false.

But I think more people crash than don't. But I'd also guess most people crash their bicycles a few times too.

Originally Posted by Smittie61984 (Post 218146)

I haven't gone down other than dropping my bike in my garage while trying to back it out with me not even on the seat.

But I've had a shit ton of close calls. One close call involved me rolling about 65mph at nighttime and coming so close to hitting a deer that I brushed it's tail and could see the top of it's back. I was also on 1 wheel with the rear tire the highest off the ground it's ever been and then going into a 1 wheel wobble and when I sat down came very close to a tank slapper but gassed out.

I've always had very good driving skills, even as a teenager. Even driving a F450 with a backhoe on the back through Atlanta rush hour traffic I've never had a close call. Infact I've never been in a wreck and only in a wreck as a passenger once.

But I'm sure my time will come.

Originally Posted by TIGGER (Post 217822)

I can agree that probability can be a factor but I don't see it as a finite commodity that once exhausted, you crash...

I've had a few accidents myself, and in every case I could have avoided the circumstances or modified my behavior and not have crashed.