1000cc motogp bikes?
 

As soon as 2011?

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/raci...ula/#more-6271

Interesting. It makes sense if it's not safer or bringing closer competition.

Higher displacements mean cheaper and more reliable power. Maybe it's a way to give teams with less money more of a chance?

Aside from that, I don't really see how it will make much difference for the viewer. I can see how the development can work it's way back to the street.

“Right now, it is not going to be possible to switch in 2011, because the agreement with the manufacturers means that we could only make that change before the end of the 2011 season if there was unanimous agreement among the manufacturers. But we are thinking about a return to a 1000cc capacity from the start of the 2012 season, and we will start discussing it this weekend.”

If Nicky can last that long in MGP, maybe he'll be back to form again.

maybe now motocysz will ditch the electrics for that lefty righty engine of his

It's like cheering for the KC Royals. You know they will never win, but their fans are loyal as shit.

The problem is the 6 engine rule and cost cutting. GP bikes will only be able to use 6 engines for the entire season next year to save money. So they need to detune them to get the reliability and thus the show suffers, lap times slow and riders complain about 'soft' engines, etc. 1000cc means they can make the same amount of power with more reliability.

It's already final for 2012.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Dec/091211a.htm

Well, they used to have 500cc two smokes, so 1000cc four strokes is about right.

I don't know why we don't get 800cc bikes.....It's a damn shame.

1000ccs are just too much power.

I've raced less than a handful of times in my life, but I do know, when you're in second, there's no such thing as too much power.

The critical thing is being able to access all the power. Delivery and traction are the key. The 800s are so powerful they need lots of electronics, but hell so are WSBK engines. 1000s will be the same as the 800s unless they work out an agreement on a spec ECU. They will be however more reliable, thus cheaper to field, maybe bumping up the number of bikes on the grid.

He is already putting thought back into reviving it. But that engine had LOTS and LOTS of issues. Its maybe a little too cutting edge on their budget. Would love to see it work though

The 1000 is much harder to ride, and has less corner speed. And as stated, you can never have too much power

i hope he does too, i think he went about his business the wrong way but its refreshing to see an american bike company thats not a slave to the v-twin layout.

do you mean in production bikes?

Yeah 800ccs for production (public)

big + 1
Seriously- every other country that makes motorcycles has a variety of engine configs. Damn near every American bike has a clunky V-Twin. Harley, Victory, Buell, Fischer, Roehr, Confederate, all the chopper fools, etc. We're lucky if there's a few thumpers anywhere...

:?:

Some people don't like peaky powerbands, where you have to ride at 10000rpm just to be in the torque curve.

Who is "we"? You can buy a GSXR750 tomorrow if you want... What's unfortunate, is that there isn't a class for it. I still don't understand why the GSXR isn't eligible to race in Daytona sportbike...

well, if you go to choppers theres a company or two dedicated to building radial based bikes (which i think is cool as hell, like to see em do a gnome radial but who the hell makes those anymore?) other than that we're a barren wasteland of uncompetitiveness

cause the gsxr and all other 600 guys would bitch.

Yea well, they may not bitch too hard...

shush you, here: stare at my ps3 wallpaper:

Nice! I still wish for a GSXR 750 vs a Buell 1125R straight up showdown! Stock for stock.

Track? Drag race? Top speed?

Hmmm....let's try them all. I'm really curious. You have to admit that Eslick was having a hard time with 600s last year on a highly modded bike. I'm curious how he would do against Cardenas on a GSXR750.

I did this recently. The Buell loses. Even went heads up with my ZX636 and a good rider, We swapped and same result.

The 1125R is a great bike, lotsa fun, but isnt effecient at speed. Takes way more work to get the same speed. Fun yeah, maybe more, but still no win.

Anyone here think going back to 1000cc will help Spies? I do. He's mentioned how much different the 800 is from his Superbike. The 1000 has to be closer to what he's used to. I think he'll still be competetive on the 800.

I don't know. IMHO the 800cc bike has more power and weighs less than a WSBK bike... I'm not sure how even more power will make him "comfortable". I think the differences are in the chassis and the electronics.

Oh well, that takes care of that...

Spies claims the 800s don't have much torque.

Hmmm... I didn't know that. I wonder what the dyno says? I wonder if it's not because of the electronics? I find it really hard to believe that a MotoGp engine makes less of anything when compared to a WSBK engine. Unless it's on purpose.

Power is all about control or traction and how its delivered. Ride a 250 ninja on ice and tell if 30 hp is too much.

The heavier WSB bikes have full electronics and sticky but spec rubber. Their HP can be tuned to within 10-15 hp of a moto GP bike but it gets uncontrolable at that level.

the GP bike has less torque to upset their really great tires but more hp and electronics in play can seem easier to control.

Not all that long ago, historically speaking, a 750 was a Superbike. I remember when the Canadian racing rules changed and Francis Martin went out for qualifying on his new Gixxer 1K. A back marker didn't abide by the gentlemen's agreement that only the top ten would be on-track for the last ten minutes of times qualifying. Francis gave it a *bit* too much throttle coming around the outside of him, damned near highsided himself into next week, but somehow saved it enough to ride it the hundred yards across the grass and into the track fence.

I bet more than half the MotoGP field can't wait to get back on 1000s.

More important than displacement is the 6 engines per season rule. What crap. No rider wants to ride an engine thats been de tuned for reliability over the course of 2 race weekends or better...

Is that 6 engines total or is that 6 engines per bike? There are usually teams of 2 riders, each rider having 2 bikes plus maybe a back up engine or 2. If you have a bad weekend you could go through the entire allotment in 1 weekend if it's 6 engines total per team.

I heard per entry, so 6 for Stoner, 6 for Hayden in Ducatis case. I heard mention that most times when a bike crashes, especially if it eats gravel the engine is fragged. So you may get by on your backup bike for the weekend, but frequent offs could leave you without engines at the end of the season...

Yep, I've read it's 6 engines total for the whole year. Make it work. For some it won't be enough. Rossi said the same about crashing. The engine is usually done at that point.

we got no engines do we ted?!

Hayden got boned twice in practice and qualifying, and in at least 2 races last year. Any hard luck at all is going to effect the results each weekend and for the championship.

This season may be rough.

Yeah I can see Depuniet only going 3 races deep this year. :lol

Riders will no doubt choose safer electronics settings and probably pick and choose their passes carefully. All but Depuniet who will go all out till he cant go anymore...Smooth riders that stay outta trouble may outpace the aliens. Especially if the only go a few lapse of practice to save the engine. The extra track time will mean nothing against riders who have good setups and experience for prior years tho

i don't get that exactly...are you not allowed to repair the engines? What's next? Body kit limits?

Yes I believe you can freshen the engines but alot of these prototype engines have very exact tolerances and once you start milling away the ctlinders they get week. Heaven forbid you crack the head of block, put a rod into the cyl wall. I dunno what kind of parts are covered either. mean titanium valves and valve springs get used up real quick, crank bearings and pistion pins see alot of abuse at 17000 rpm. Cranks and cams get worn at a frightful pace. Imagine a crank seizing while leaned over at 140?

Well hopefully this means friendlier racing, I hate seeing people get bumped off.



And by that what I really mean to say is I want to Rossi beat everyone with a 30+sec gap fair n square.

Fuk that!
Some of the best racing is when there is bumping!
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photog..._corkscrew.jpg

Ok that's like one time in history.

And I'm pretty sure that was just Rossi taking the "real" racing line... ;)

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-co...ossi-crash.jpg

How about Biaggi bumping Rossi then Rossi passing Biaggi at the same spot then giving him the finger at full lean.

Just sayin. :lol:

I think it will be opposite. The leader will probably pull a 4 second gap and immediately start sandbaggin to save his engine. Switch to an easier setting and cruise until he gets a challenge that makes him up the pace...

Couple of good pics there.

Gibernau?.... You are discussing Biaggi but posted a pic of Sete'....just saying.

I was posting exapmles of close(touching) racing. I would have posted a pic of the Rossi Biaggi incident, but it is impossible to find, so I just described that one.

Oh okay, I'm not taking over for Homeslice or anything. I just wondered which incident you meant.

Don't know about that, but since you posted the Gibernau incident. I will go record and comment to say Gibs was being the douche here and Rossi was in the green.(and shortly after Gibernau was on the rocks!)

That makes me shudder just thinking of it. :panic:

The six engine rule this year is going to suck. Just another reason for a rider to not go ballz out. Pushing beyond the limits is what viewers want!

They're incredibly corked up from the factory.

A buddy of mine has a lightly modified 1125R that would absolutely blow a 600's doors off. The thing is pretty ridiculous. 1098 territory.

Now we're talking.

Build the engine reliable enough and the rider can push almost as hard as they want. It's all in the hands of the engineers.

Dont get me wrong, I love my Buell. A much better canyon bike than my 6R. Torquy, powerful, responsive, but at a 10/10 ths pace when the gloves come off it gets outclassed. The in line jap bikes go faster more efficiently and with less work.

I was talking about against GSXR750s anyway...Here we go again but telling me that your friend's modified 1125cc bike will "blow the doors off 600s" is hardly impressive imho.

I agree that the Buell has it's strengths and place in the sport bike hierarchy...

That doesn't exactly support the idea that they can run in Sportbike and compete on an even playing field.

sports bike that most resembles sandra bernhard? :P

Hot body / ugly face?

Sandra would blow you up boy!