Speaking of the entitled generation....

Homeslice · 03-26-2010, 03:20 AM

Not surprising....

Army changes basic training to deal with gamer generation
by Ben Silverman

In an interview with Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, NPR reports that the U.S. Army is altering its basic training program for the first time in 20 years, in part to better train recruits weaned on video games.

"This isn't a decline in our recruits; this is a decline in our American society in terms of their physical capacity," Hertling told NPR. "It's just a softer generation."

Hertling goes on to explain that while new soliders are "advanced in terms of their use of technology," they're perhaps "not as advanced in their physical capabilities or ability to go into a fight. So we're taking that into consideration as well in doing this holistic review of how we do training."

So what's in store for new recruits? Hertling says the new basic training regimen will focus more on teaching recruits essential combat skills, from the use of "weapons, knives, bayonets, [and] sticks" to hand-to-hand techniques like punching, kicking, and martial arts. His aim is to better prepare them for the potentially grueling physical experience of serving in unfriendly environments.

That includes an added emphasis on discipline, which Hertling contends just isn't what it used to be.

"We certainly have a generation that is not as disciplined when they enter the military," he said, adding that while the new generation has "what they believe is a form of courage or discipline, it's not what we expect of a soldier in very tense and difficult situations."

The news comes just weeks after the Pentagon announced plans to fund new research into using games to train soldiers. The Army in particular has had a healthy working relationship with the games industry; its freely-distributed first-person shooter America's Army has enjoyed great success as a recruitment tool.

While Hertling isn’t enamored with their physical prowess, he believes new soldiers with a background in games do offer one distinct advantage.

"They're different. They have a technology edge. I think they're smarter than any generation we've ever had before," he said. "They certainly ask a lot more difficult questions."

Dave · 03-26-2010, 03:24 AM

more pt and combatives aint a bad thing at all.

Adeptus_Minor · 03-26-2010, 03:32 AM

I still think we need to go back to training with swords.

Cutty72 · 03-26-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

more pt and combatives aint a bad thing at all.

I agree.
And bring back wall to wall counseling, and get rid of "stress cards"

SteveP · 03-27-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

I agree.
And bring back wall to wall counseling, and get rid of "stress cards"

We had those in boot camp in '97. No one dared to use them though.

Cutty72 · 03-27-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

We had those in boot camp in '97. No one dared to use them though.

Really? where did you go? No stress cards at Leonard Wood in 00, and they defiantly still used wall to wall counseling.

Dave · 03-27-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

Really? where did you go? No stress cards at Leonard Wood in 00, and they defiantly still used wall to wall counseling.

it was a running joke at knox in 00' shoulda seen what happened to kids who asked for one

SteveP · 03-28-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutty72

Really? where did you go? No stress cards at Leonard Wood in 00, and they defiantly still used wall to wall counseling.

Navy. Great Lakes Illinois. Naval Boot Camp is a joke.

CrazyKell · 03-26-2010, 09:55 AM

In reading that article, very little had to do with gaming specifically.

He's not wrong, it's just misleading.

Amber Lamps · 03-26-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

In reading that article, very little had to do with gaming specifically.

He's not wrong, it's just misleading.

Well I'm not sure where the entitlement is... I'm not sure that people are necessarily softer either.I think that the people that they recruit now are hard, ghetto kids but the guys they want might be the softer, more intelligent suburban kids whom may be somewhat weaker.

03-26-2010, 03:20 AM	#1
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Speaking of the entitled generation.... Not surprising.... Army changes basic training to deal with gamer generation by Ben Silverman In an interview with Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, NPR reports that the U.S. Army is altering its basic training program for the first time in 20 years, in part to better train recruits weaned on video games. "This isn't a decline in our recruits; this is a decline in our American society in terms of their physical capacity," Hertling told NPR. "It's just a softer generation." Hertling goes on to explain that while new soliders are "advanced in terms of their use of technology," they're perhaps "not as advanced in their physical capabilities or ability to go into a fight. So we're taking that into consideration as well in doing this holistic review of how we do training." So what's in store for new recruits? Hertling says the new basic training regimen will focus more on teaching recruits essential combat skills, from the use of "weapons, knives, bayonets, [and] sticks" to hand-to-hand techniques like punching, kicking, and martial arts. His aim is to better prepare them for the potentially grueling physical experience of serving in unfriendly environments. That includes an added emphasis on discipline, which Hertling contends just isn't what it used to be. "We certainly have a generation that is not as disciplined when they enter the military," he said, adding that while the new generation has "what they believe is a form of courage or discipline, it's not what we expect of a soldier in very tense and difficult situations." The news comes just weeks after the Pentagon announced plans to fund new research into using games to train soldiers. The Army in particular has had a healthy working relationship with the games industry; its freely-distributed first-person shooter America's Army has enjoyed great success as a recruitment tool. While Hertling isn’t enamored with their physical prowess, he believes new soldiers with a background in games do offer one distinct advantage. "They're different. They have a technology edge. I think they're smarter than any generation we've ever had before," he said. "They certainly ask a lot more difficult questions."

03-26-2010, 03:24 AM	#2
Dave Chaotic Neutral Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Moto: GV1200 Madura, Hawk gt Posts: 13,992	more pt and combatives aint a bad thing at all. __________________ TWF Post whore #6

03-26-2010, 03:32 AM	#3
Adeptus_Minor Hopster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: 2009 Buell 1125R Posts: 4,743	I still think we need to go back to training with swords. __________________ “Well, obviously before; after was all gendarmes and dick stitches.”

03-26-2010, 09:55 AM	#9
CrazyKell Vrooom Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: 06 ZX6R Posts: 4,427	In reading that article, very little had to do with gaming specifically. He's not wrong, it's just misleading.