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nhgunnut · 02-23-2009, 05:59 AM

It will be interesting to see how much Deisgn Tech corsses company lines and what makes it to market. The Elefant seems to be aimed right at the
XB12X niche so if it does go into production I wonder if they will bring it stateside? As for the Rotax motor in general they seem great to me

tlstreak · 02-23-2009, 07:34 AM

They will have to get a lot better. The New Buell performs almost as good as a 10 year old Aprilia. Thats not saying much. I doubt the Rotax motor is going to improve by leaps and bounds if they only really get a new order to design a new motor once a decade. Maybe thats why Aprilia is playing with the V4 motor now.

Tmall · 02-23-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tlstreak

They will have to get a lot better. The New Buell performs almost as good as a 10 year old Aprilia. Thats not saying much. I doubt the Rotax motor is going to improve by leaps and bounds if they only really get a new order to design a new motor once a decade. Maybe thats why Aprilia is playing with the V4 motor now.

The new motor keeps up with the all powerful and awe inspiring Gsxr 750.. Considering it's a street oriented v-twin, I'd say that's impressive.

Compare it to the geared down 1125cr, and I doubt it'll touch it on the street.

So, what exactly is the problem with a 145hp v-twin that makes 85lb of tq?

Dave · 02-23-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

The new motor keeps up with the all powerful and awe inspiring Gsxr 750.. Considering it's a street oriented v-twin, I'd say that's impressive.

Compare it to the geared down 1125cr, and I doubt it'll touch it on the street.

So, what exactly is the problem with a 145hp v-twin that makes 85lb of tq?

another bike that hasnt seen much in the way of power gains in a decade

marko138 · 02-23-2009, 10:04 AM

Haters.

tlstreak · 02-23-2009, 06:24 PM

I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.

But for a new bike to come out as the new "HOT" model with power and handling less than a 10 year old bike (the Aprilia chasis was better) it just doesnt say much for the company and designer.

I doubt the Buell would compete with the 750 on a day to day basis either. I had less money in my 99 TL than a new buell costs new and it would have walked all over the thing with the mods I had on it, and that was a shit selling bike, Ill take my money and buy a good used priller and give it some love and have a blast all the way to the bank. Maybe with some decent designers and some money backing them, we might see a nice twin again besides an over costly high maint. Ducati which seems to be the only true twin builder year after year.

Dave · 02-23-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tlstreak

I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.

But for a new bike to come out as the new "HOT" model with power and handling less than a 10 year old bike (the Aprilia chasis was better) it just doesnt say much for the company and designer.

I doubt the Buell would compete with the 750 on a day to day basis either. I had less money in my 99 TL than a new buell costs new and it would have walked all over the thing with the mods I had on it, and that was a shit selling bike, Ill take my money and buy a good used priller and give it some love and have a blast all the way to the bank. Maybe with some decent designers and some money backing them, we might see a nice twin again besides an over costly high maint. Ducati which seems to be the only true twin builder year after year.

might not even have to go used, ive been earing about 'priller dealers unloading old stock rsvs (do we call them twos now?

) in the 9-10 k range

Tmall · 02-23-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

another bike that hasnt seen much in the way of power gains in a decade

The Gsxr? It's putting down more whp than that 954 does stock.. Not that I like gsxrs. But, it's definitely seen changes.

Dave · 02-23-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

It will be interesting to see how much Deisgn Tech corsses company lines and what makes it to market. The Elefant seems to be aimed right at the
XB12X niche so if it does go into production I wonder if they will bring it stateside? As for the Rotax motor in general they seem great to me

looks more aimed at ktm and bmw to me. look how tall it is, screams gs fighter

Dave · 02-23-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

The Gsxr? It's putting down more whp than that 954 does stock.. Not that I like gsxrs. But, it's definitely seen changes.

barely. in the same time it took the 750 to pick up 6hp (6 years) the 600 gained 16 and the 1000 grabbed 21.

in your other statement, you might be right on power. very wrong on torque, and mine is lighter

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02-23-2009, 07:34 AM	#12
tlstreak As Seen On TV Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NE TN Moto: 01 929 Posts: 54	They will have to get a lot better. The New Buell performs almost as good as a 10 year old Aprilia. Thats not saying much. I doubt the Rotax motor is going to improve by leaps and bounds if they only really get a new order to design a new motor once a decade. Maybe thats why Aprilia is playing with the V4 motor now.

02-23-2009, 06:24 PM	#16
tlstreak As Seen On TV Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NE TN Moto: 01 929 Posts: 54	I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me. But for a new bike to come out as the new "HOT" model with power and handling less than a 10 year old bike (the Aprilia chasis was better) it just doesnt say much for the company and designer. I doubt the Buell would compete with the 750 on a day to day basis either. I had less money in my 99 TL than a new buell costs new and it would have walked all over the thing with the mods I had on it, and that was a shit selling bike, Ill take my money and buy a good used priller and give it some love and have a blast all the way to the bank. Maybe with some decent designers and some money backing them, we might see a nice twin again besides an over costly high maint. Ducati which seems to be the only true twin builder year after year.