Health Care..what do you think?

[cbrchick]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Dude the person with the better insurance plan will get better care. In Canada, if it is all the same, you can only expect standardized care since everyone in the country is in the pool.

What is your definition of "standardized" care? If you mean everyone gets treated for their cancer, life threatening, chronic or acute disease irrespective of income, then yes, you are right.

I work in an emergency department - I see everything. So I find it funny you think you are an expert on what medical care and the standard of that care that people in this country receive.

You have NO IDEA on what standard is....

Let me give you an example.

Cost of transport via Life Flight - minimal
Cost of cardiac cath during acute heart attack - zero
Cost of hip replacement, CT's, MRI's, Xrays, blood tests - zero
Cost of Trauma team to save your ass post motorcycle accident - zero
Cost for stay in ICU - zero
Cost to have specialists work on you for months - zero
Cost to have a child with special needs taken care of in hospital - zero
Cost of antibiotics, special infusion devices, external hearts, pace makers, skin grafts, plastic surgery post accident....etc.
Cost to have a public health nurse follow your child's growth for 6 years - zero

Yes we pay higher taxes to support our health care. Yes our system needs work. But, the cost to the average person that finds themselves in the need of medical care will not bankrupt them.

Accidents happen and really shitty things happen to good people. Medical insurance will not prevent you from getting sick. I'd rather pay higher taxes so that my family, my friends can get whatever they need if the situation should arise.

Sadly, since our standard of care is so good, we do a lot for people that don't deserve it. I have to give everyone the same treatment, even though some bring on their own demise and do nothing to better their situations. They def. drain the system and resources. That part bugs all of us a lot.

But when you've been diagnosed with Cancer, your 36 years old with 2 children and a wife that loves you...and your going to die...It's kinda nice in a f*cked up way that your family wont have to pay for your death years after it happens.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by cbrchick

Accidents happen and really shitty things happen to good people. Medical insurance will not prevent you from getting sick. I'd rather pay higher taxes so that my family, my friends can get whatever they need if the situation should arise.

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do you mind paying for pedro and his 10 kids and/or laquanda and her 5?

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by RACER X

do you mind paying for pedro and his 10 kids and/or laquanda and her 5?

We do here

Tom

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by tommymac

We do here

Tom

thats kinda where my question way back was asking, does canada have 10-11 mil illegals, no telling how many pay taxes. let alone the generational freeloaders we have.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by RACER X

thats kinda where my question way back was asking, does canada have 10-11 mil illegals, no telling how many pay taxes. let alone the generational freeloaders we have.

I dont think they have the problem with illegals that we do here but am sure they have a lot of dead weight members of society like we do.

Tom

[RACER X]

US population 308,109,000
CA " 33,869,000

we prolly have more freeloaders then they have population. lol

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I know you seem sold a bill of goods, that our system is bad - and Canada good. I get that.

In much the same way that you are sold a bill of good that our system is poor and fraught with bureaucracy, that can see a government official decide whether you deserve to be treated or not. It's amazing the number of lies I hear about our system from American sources, on a daily basis. Sure, there are waits for elective surgery and non-critical care. You're not going to die up here because you can't afford a treatment though.

The simple truth is that Americans are too resistant to a system of true 'universal' health care for it to work down there, using the Canadian model. It will no more work there, than American style democracy will work in Afghanistan or Iraq. A compromise system is what is required. Those who choose to pay for comprehensive health care coverage would have a portion of their payments funnelled off, in order to help provide low cost health care for those who can't afford it.

But the problems in your system are more fundamental than that. Even if you have health care coverage, you had better not get seriously ill. The co-pays, alone, will pauper you.

The upshot is that each system excels in its own way. Ours can be improved. So can yours.

Originally Posted by RACER X

US population 308,109,000
CA " 33,869,000

we prolly have more freeloaders then they have population. lol

Perhaps you do, but characterizing all people who can't afford health care as 'freeloaders' is disingenuous.

[Tmall]

Its not like everybody is unemployed willfully.

Wink wink ed.

[azoomm]

The current package they are drafting will be paid for in a combination of ways... the "savings" from medicare, one % to those using it, another % to those not using it, and a whopping % to those making a large reported income... it's more like Robin Hood. There's even a proposed excise tax on insurers of employer-sponsored health plans. Interesting to have those taking people out of the system pay for those in the system....

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Its not like everybody is unemployed willfully.

Wink wink ed.

got ins. after i get laid off, wink back.........

and i'm talkin of generational freeloaders vs in-between workers......hell we have more people unemployed at this time then CA has total population.