Jett Travolta

[Trip]

Originally Posted by 2up

But we don't know if that is what happened in this scenario. But even if it were, I don't know that I would consider it neglect. Do you know of any medication that has no side-effects? Would the side-effects outweigh the benefits?

And this is all really about the medical choices allegedly made due to their religion, so, I have another family story to throw in the ring for consideration. I have two aunts on my mother's side. One is a Jehovah's Witness, the other Catholic. Both equally faithful, some would say fanatical about their beliefs.

My uncle who was a Jehovah's Witness got Leukemia. After some treatments (I was a kid and don't remember what the treatments were) the Dr's said he needed a blood transfusion. This is against their beliefs, they declined, he passed away within a very short time of being diagnosed.

My other uncle got another form of cancer (don't recall where it started) which metastisised and spread everywhere. When it got to his stomach he underwent massive chemo, radiation, transfusions, on top of his original treatments for wherever the cancer started. He spent a year and a half in the hospital, bed-ridden, in pain, ultimately throwing up the remains of his burned stomach. (Burned from radiation/chemo.) My aunt sat day and night by his bedside for the entire time, literally, to the point she almost died of blood clots she was getting in her legs. After all of that, my uncle died.

Was my Jehovah's Witness aunt neglectful for refussing the transfussion or was my Catholic aunt a heartless sadist for allowing her husband to be put through what he went through? Or were they both just doing their best to deal with horrible situations based on what their beliefs are?

Both of those stories I would not consider normal conditions, but extraordinary measures. Especially in the case of the cancer metastisised. Both are also the individuals making the choice, not a parent making the choice for the child.

[2up]

Originally Posted by Trip

Both of those stories I would not consider normal conditions, but extraordinary measures. Especially in the case of the cancer metastisised. Both are also the individuals making the choice, not a parent making the choice for the child.

A paents job is to make choices for a child. Especially one that is developmentally disabled, mentally, as appears to be the case of Jett Travolta.

And actually, my aunts had to make the choices once their husband's got to sick to make sound decisions. What i've written isn't extraordinary where cancer is concerned. Chemo, radiation, transfusions, pretty standard. And pretty damn hellish for the first two at least.

[MILK]

[QUOTE=cbrchick;141432]You can be on anti-seizure medications and still have seizures. QUOTE]

Yup

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by MILK

[ QUOTE=cbrchick;141432]You can be on anti-seizure medications and still have seizures. QUOTE]

Yup

quite often, they effect the right hand, specifically the pinky when it's in the process of pressing the"/" and "[" keys.

[azoomm]

I'm still very confused and almost offended that people are debating what he did, or didn't do for his son. I'm quite sure his pain is no less knowing that he maybe might have done more for him at any time.

It makes me want to throw up a little.

I wish them peace. For Jett and his friends and family... Godspeed.

[Rsv1000R]

I to wonder how he wasn't found for so long, because I've heard he had 1 or 2 nanny's as well as baby monitors so if he got up at night he could be monitored.

As for Scientology, IMO it was set up for get out of paying taxes, they follow the IRS's rules for being a religion, so while it might be a scam, if they follow the rules, good for them. As for their cleansing, again IMO it's nothing more than in depth Biofeedback. Probably helpful to some, harmless to (most) everyone else*.

iirc there have been some people who have complained about this, but I don't know the specifics.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I'm still very confused and almost offended that people are debating what he did, or didn't do for his son. I'm quite sure his pain is no less knowing that he maybe might have done more for him at any time.

It makes me want to throw up a little.

I wish them peace. For Jett and his friends and family... Godspeed.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

As for Scientology, IMO it was set up for get out of paying taxes, they follow the IRS's rules for being a religion, so while it might be a scam, if they follow the rules, good for them. As for their cleansing, again IMO it's nothing more than in depth Biofeedback. Probably helpful to some, harmless to (most) everyone else*.

They are the only religion to attempt to takeover the government, actually get charge and prosecuted for attempting it, and then successfully blackmail the government into giving them tax free status with benefits other religions do not receive.

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by Trip

They are the only religion to attempt to takeover the government, actually get charge and prosecuted for attempting it, and then successfully blackmail the government into giving them tax free status with benefits other religions do not receive.

Got any links to this?

[Trip]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

As for the tax free stuff, google about jew scientology school tax free. I can't remember what his name was, but some jewish guy went to court over how scientology enjoys school tax benefits for it's "educational courses", but other religions can't file for tax credits on money paid for sending their kids to private religious schools.