Dedicated smokers

[the chi]

Wow, thats really fair for the non smokers. Do they get to leave when they want for long breaks?

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by caveman

you mean other than the freakin $6 a pack price tag?

cigarette tax imposing gov't and tobacco companies

My gf pays $13 a pack...

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Yeah, fuck the smokers. They raise the price of healthcare for everyone.

Of course, if we're going that route, we also need to say fuck the motorcyclists (crashes are expensive, especially for those no-gear-wearing assholes). Let's not forget about all those runners with their eventual knee, hip, and foot problems (and athletes in general- shoulder surgery isn't cheap either). Then there are people who drink alcohol- cirrhosis can be a serious problem.

My favorite of all, though, are the triple-cheeseburger and fries guzzling fatasses. Last time I looked it up, obesity-related health care costs were something like triple what tobacco-related costs were. Hypertension, diabetes, stroke, MI, etc are pretty goddamn expensive.

On a related note:
Caveman, don't be pissed at the greedy tobacco companies, be pissed at the greedy government. Of that $6 you pay per pack, less than a buck actually goes to the companies who did all the work. The rest goes to the government so they can pay the healthcare costs for fat people. You see, for some reason, it's socially acceptable to declare tobacco "evil" and tax the crap out of it while restricting the companies' access to things like advertising and other normal business practices, but it's completely unacceptable to do the same with McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, Carl's Jr, etc.

The simple fact is that McDonald's kills more people (by a lot) and creates higher healthcare costs (again, by a lot) than Phillip Morris does. So why are cigarettes taxed to death, not allowed to advertise, and outright banned, but Big Macs aren't?

Because cigarettes are actually addictive?

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Mikey

My favorite of all, though, are the triple-cheeseburger and fries guzzling fatasses. Last time I looked it up, obesity-related health care costs were something like triple what tobacco-related costs were. Hypertension, diabetes, stroke, MI, etc are pretty goddamn expensive.

They keep me working too

I do agree that obesity is a problem now and will only get worse as these fat kids become fat adults and these problems manifest themselves. Thing is if someone isa smoker we know that puts them at higher risk for MI or stroke as does their weight/obesity.

Originally Posted by Tmall

Because cigarettes are actually addictive?

So are big macs

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Because cigarettes are actually addictive?

So is fast food and chocolate, both of which are major factors in obesity.

I also don't buy the concept that tobacco is THAT addictive. I smoke, but I do so because I choose to smoke. It's fairly routine for me to go a day or two without a cigarette because I don't feel like it or because I just plain forget that I'm a smoker. If and when I decide to quit, it'll be an easy transition for me. Honestly, that day may not be too far off, but I want the decision to be mine and not the federal government's.

Fun fact- if you take three groups of people (smokers, fatties, and "healthy people" and study their healthcare costs from age 20 until death, the healthy people have the HIGHEST total healthcare costs because they live too goddamn long and elderly healthcare is damn expensive. The fatties have the second-highest lifetime healthcare costs (only because they die long before the healthy folks), and the smokers have the lowest lifetime costs, even though their life expectancy is quite a bit longer than the obesity group. Isn't science fun?

ETA: dammit, Tommy beat me to the punch.

[Tmall]

But you're ignoring the fact that cigarettes are designed to be addictive.

How are chocolate and fast food addictive? What chemicals in them make your body dependant on it like nicotine does?

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by Tmall

But you're ignoring the fact that cigarettes are designed to be addictive.

How are chocolate and fast food addictive? What chemicals in them make your body dependant on it like nicotine does?

ever seen a fat man walk away from a cheeburger? I didn't think so.

[Sixxxxer]

My insurance company makes smokers pay more...and the non smokers pay what they paid before...So it doesnt hurt the non smokers.

Seems fair to me

[Kaneman]

She should switch to vaping and then she could do it indoors, nobody would know a thing.

[pauldun170]

15 minutes outside smoking
or
15 minutes in the break room
or
15 minutes hanging out in someone else's office
or
15 minutes reading the paper on the toilet
or
15 minutes arguing about smokers on the internet
or
15 minutes running out to starbucks

The list goes on and on...

I think the bigger issue is that all those productive people who alledgedly take no breaks aren't getting proper excersise.

"Who never leaves their desk?"
That fat non coffee drinking, non smoking, non talking, non shitting cow third door on the left.