Ping Ebbs (HDR)

[Trip]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

no... HDR brings OUT things.+

it's a different FORM of photography... just like B&W or using filters.


I agree... it gets over done most of the time. but just because it's not to your liking doesn't make it crap.

to be honest Trip... if you saw a well done HDR shot, you wouldn't know it unless you saw the before/after

Yeah it brings out your lack of talent because you had to use HDR.

It's not photography. It's the same as airbrushing a model for playboy. It's something you couldn't do with your equipment and so you had to clean it up afterwards. It's ghey plain and simple.

Lots of people feel this way, just do a basic search on the internet.

My opinion does make it crap in my eyes and others eyes. That's why it's an opinion. It can be non crap to you, but to a lot of us it's pure shit.

Why do it at all if you can't tell? Why not just get better with your equipment so you didn't have to do it?

[Trip]

By the way, if that is considered photography, when I take one of your photos and add looter to it, that should be considered photography as well.

So, since I am a decent chopper, that makes me a decent photographer as well too. Sweet. I mean I am really bringing things OUT by creating that killer photo of the sharktopus.

[Mr Lefty]

no... all I'm doing is merging photos... I the subject matter doesn't change... just a new way of viewing it. it's more of an artistic style IMO.

just like B&W you have to choose certain subjects for HDR... not everything looks good in HDR... just like not everything looks good in B&W.

great... rely on the internet to tell you what's crap and what's not...


as far as not being able to tell... there is a change... just that YOU wouldn't be able to pick it out as HDR with out the original photos.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

no... all I'm doing is merging photos... I the subject matter doesn't change... just a new way of viewing it. it's more of an artistic style IMO.

just like B&W you have to choose certain subjects for HDR... not everything looks good in HDR... just like not everything looks good in B&W.

great... rely on the internet to tell you what's crap and what's not...


as far as not being able to tell... there is a change... just that YOU wouldn't be able to pick it out as HDR with out the original photos.

It's a more artistic style by adding new subjects. I am just merging photos too. It's definitely a new way of viewing a photo if looter man shows up LOL. It's the same shit and you refuse to admit it and it's hilarious.

B&W can be done by the equipment. Adjusting your dynamic range can be done by the equipment. Taking the photos and making changes afterwards shows the lack of quality equipment or lack of photographer skill.

The change also depends a lot on the equipment itself. A low range camera won't have the same ability to shoot the dynamic range of a high end camera. So yeah if you get a high end camera and make very subtle changes it will be hard to tell. Taking a shitty camera and make a bunch of changes would be a lot easier to tell.

[Mr Lefty]

Personally I like the middle one the best... the top is over done...

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

It's a more artistic style by adding new subjects. I am just merging photos too. It's definitely a new way of viewing a photo if looter man shows up LOL. It's the same shit and you refuse to admit it and it's hilarious.

B&W can be done by the equipment. Adjusting your dynamic range can be done by the equipment. Taking the photos and making changes afterwards shows the lack of quality equipment or lack of photographer skill.

The change also depends a lot on the equipment itself. A low range camera won't have the same ability to shoot the dynamic range of a high end camera. So yeah if you get a high end camera and make very subtle changes it will be hard to tell. Taking a shitty camera and make a bunch of changes would be a lot easier to tell.

please tell me how I'm adding new subjects if I take the same photo 3 times and merge it?

NO you cannot change your dynamic range with equipment. you can take a -1 and a and a 0 and MERGE them but that's the only way to increase dynamic range... MERGING more than one photo.

the dynamic range is static based on the exposure you use. using a -1 exposure allows you to gain more shadow detail, but blows out highlights it's a give and take. HDR is about trying to replicate what the eye sees... as our eyes have a much broader dynamic range than a camera can capture, as our eye adjust on the fly.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

please tell me how I'm adding new subjects if I take the same photo 3 times and merge it?

NO you cannot change your dynamic range with equipment. you can take a -1 and a and a 0 and MERGE them but that's the only way to increase dynamic range... MERGING more than one photo.

the dynamic range is static based on the exposure you use. using a -1 exposure allows you to gain more shadow detail, but blows out highlights it's a give and take. HDR is about trying to replicate what the eye sees... as our eyes have a much broader dynamic range than a camera can capture, as our eye adjust on the fly.

You are doing the same thing, taking data that wasn't there and adding it to the photo. It's not the same photo. It's 3 different photos once you change the dynamic range of each photo.

Changing equipment to better equipment can give you better dynamic range.

[Trip]

One could also argue the artistic merit of HDR.

It's like filters, the artist is the computer not the individual. It's like a filter on photoshop, there is little to no artistic merit for the individual vs the computer's ability.

A photochop, there is much much more artistic merit behind a decent creator.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

You are doing the same thing, taking data that wasn't there and adding it to the photo. It's not the same photo. It's 3 different photos once you change the dynamic range of each photo.

Changing equipment to better equipment can give you better dynamic range.

better equipment MAY give you a slightly broader dynamic range (I don't know) but it will not be the same as what your eye sees.


so I guess the only good photos are the ones un touched... cause any amount of post processing even cropping is adding or removing data and thus... not photography in your mind. gotcha...


get over it... just cause you and a hundred thousand internet experts dislike the genre doesn't make it worthless or a fad.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

One could also argue the artistic merit of HDR.

It's like filters, the artist is the computer not the individual. It's like a filter on photoshop, there is little to no artistic merit for the individual vs the computer's ability.

A photochop, there is much much more artistic merit behind a decent creator.

no... you still have to pick a decent subject, you have to set the adjustments right... you can't just merge and do auto tone mapping and have the computer turn out a perfect HDR image.

yes you need to have a creative mind when photochoping... but you have to have just as a creative mind to find a subject that lends it self well to HDR...