Consumer Reports at it again

pauldun170 · 04-13-2010, 09:50 AM

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Consumer Reports has issued a safety warning on Toyota's 2010 Lexus GX 460 SUV because of an increased rollover risk during a turn.

The magazine says it uncovered the problem during routine tests, and is urging car shoppers not to buy the GX 460 until this problem has been remedied.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

"We're concerned with the results," said Toyota in a statement, adding that the company will try to duplicated Consumer Reports' test "to determine if appropriate steps need to taken."

About 5,000 GX 460s have been sold in the roughly three months the model has been on sale, the magazine said. It advises current owners of this vehicle to approach exit ramps with caution, and to call Toyota demanding a fix for the problem.

Toyota said the GX 460 "meets or exceeds all federal government testing requirements."

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/auto...dex.htm?hpt=T1

Homeslice · 04-13-2010, 10:01 AM

Consumer Reports is only good for testing refrigerators and sunscreen. Cars they know very little about. Plus they aren't car enthusiasts, so they poo-poo high-performance cars. Clueless safety nannies.

EVERY car can be induced to slide and flip over, so how is this news? Irresponsible journalism FTL.

Kaneman · 04-13-2010, 11:12 AM

Read that article earlier. Sorry, not buying that bullshit.

Sean · 04-13-2010, 01:13 PM

Tall, high CoG 4x4s can roll over in fast maneuvers? No way!

Avatard · 04-13-2010, 02:05 PM

Yeah, they need to stick to appliances, and leave the new car testing shit to Car And Driver and Motor Trend.

Particle Man · 04-13-2010, 02:32 PM

HOLY CRAP, AN SUV WILL ROLL OVER IF YOU CORNER IT LIKE A SPORTS CAR?

Say it ain't so!

Homeslice · 04-13-2010, 03:06 PM

Hell, even a Lambo will flip over if it slides into the grass or dirt hard enough.

goof2 · 04-14-2010, 08:52 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/auto...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

Toyota suspends sales of Lexus GX 460
by Peter Valdes-Dapena, senior writerApril 13, 2010: 6:58 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Toyota asked dealers to temporarily suspend sales of the new 2010 Lexus GX 460 after Consumer Reports issued a safety warning on the SUV.

"We are taking the situation with the GX 460 very seriously and are determined to identify and correct the issue Consumer Reports identified," said Mark Templin, Lexus Group vice president and general manager, in a prepared statement.

Earlier on Tuesday the magazine said there was an increased risk of rollover during a turn, a problem it uncovered during routine tests. It urged car shoppers not to buy the GX 460 until the problem is remedied.

The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited.

About 5,000 GX 460s have been sold in the roughly three months the model has been on sale, the magazine said. It advises current owners of this vehicle to approach exit ramps with caution, and to call Toyota demanding a fix for the problem.

Toyota said earlier the GX 460 "meets or exceeds all federal government testing requirements."

10 best cars: Consumer Reports
The SUV's electronic stability control program failed to keep the vehicle in line during a severe handling maneuver, allowing it to slide almost completely sideways, said Douglas Love, Consumer Reports spokesman. That situation could lead to a rollover, Love said.

Electronic stability control (ESC) is a computerized system that controls the brakes and accelerator to help maintain vehicle control in abrupt maneuvers.

The problem with the Lexus' ESC system became apparent during tests designed to detect a specific emergency handling problem -- one in which a vehicle's back end slides outward when the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal during a turn. The GX's ESC system did not become active until the SUV had already skidded dangerously, Love said.

The test mimics a driver's typical response to encountering an obstacle in the midst of a turn or to finding a turn to be unexpectedly tight.

"CR believes that, in real-world driving, that situation could lead to a rollover accident which could cause serious injury or death," the magazine said in a statement.

However, Consumer Reports also said in its statement that is not aware of any reports of injuries or deaths caused by the problem.

In the test, the SUV was going over 60 miles per hour, said a Consumer Reports spokesman.

The problem was not an isolated occurrence, Love said, but occurred during tests conducted by four different Consumer Reports test drivers. To confirm the results, Consumer Reports tested a second GX 460 and found the same problem.

"We're in the process of testing the 2010 Lexus GX 460 SUV to ensure it complies with NHTSA's safety standard for electronic stability control ESC, and to understand better the results obtained by Consumers Union reported today," NHTSA spokeswoman Julia Piscitelli said in a statement. "It is our belief that ESC should prevent the kind of fishtail event described."

The GX 460 was completely redesigned and re-engineered for the 2010 model year. The problem did not occur on Lexus GX models from prior model years.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the government agency that monitors auto safety in the United States, has no crash test or rollover ratings listed for the GX 460 on its Web site. A NHTSA spokesman could not immediately say the if the government has done crash safety and rollover tests on the vehicle.

The problem was also absent during tests of the closely related 2010 Toyota 4Runner SUV, Love said. The 4Runner was also redesigned for the 2010 model year.

Electronic stability control systems have proven extremely effective in reducing dangerous single vehicle crashes. According to separate analyses by the privately funded Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Department of Transportation, ESC systems have been shown to reduce the risk of fatal crashes by as much as a third. The systems will be required on all cars by 2012.

Lexus is Toyota's luxury division and the company has been facing a public relations crisis surrounding allegations of unintended acceleration in many of its most popular vehicles. In the past year, the automaker has recalled 8 million vehicles worldwide for safety issues.

Homeslice · 04-14-2010, 02:46 PM

Retarded. Toyota has tapped out and allowed themselves to take it up the ass these last few months.

Rangerscott · 04-14-2010, 03:19 PM

Another stupid, common sense report. I've seen a corvette roll over.

04-13-2010, 11:12 AM	#3
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Read that article earlier. Sorry, not buying that bullshit. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

04-13-2010, 02:05 PM	#5
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	Yeah, they need to stick to appliances, and leave the new car testing shit to Car And Driver and Motor Trend. __________________ Insert free thought here.

04-13-2010, 02:32 PM	#6
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	HOLY CRAP, AN SUV WILL ROLL OVER IF YOU CORNER IT LIKE A SPORTS CAR? Say it ain't so! __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

04-13-2010, 10:01 AM	#2
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Consumer Reports is only good for testing refrigerators and sunscreen. Cars they know very little about. Plus they aren't car enthusiasts, so they poo-poo high-performance cars. Clueless safety nannies. EVERY car can be induced to slide and flip over, so how is this news? Irresponsible journalism FTL.

04-13-2010, 01:13 PM	#4
Sean giggity Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: socal Moto: street, sumo & dirty Posts: 1,071	Tall, high CoG 4x4s can roll over in fast maneuvers? No way!

04-13-2010, 03:06 PM	#7
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Hell, even a Lambo will flip over if it slides into the grass or dirt hard enough.

04-14-2010, 08:52 AM	#8
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/auto...n_bin&hpt=Sbin Toyota suspends sales of Lexus GX 460 by Peter Valdes-Dapena, senior writerApril 13, 2010: 6:58 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Toyota asked dealers to temporarily suspend sales of the new 2010 Lexus GX 460 after Consumer Reports issued a safety warning on the SUV. "We are taking the situation with the GX 460 very seriously and are determined to identify and correct the issue Consumer Reports identified," said Mark Templin, Lexus Group vice president and general manager, in a prepared statement. Earlier on Tuesday the magazine said there was an increased risk of rollover during a turn, a problem it uncovered during routine tests. It urged car shoppers not to buy the GX 460 until the problem is remedied. The special designation given to the GX 460 by Consumer Reports -- "Don't Buy: Safety Risk" -- is rarely given by the magazine. The last time it was used was in 2001, on the Mitsubishi Montero Limited. About 5,000 GX 460s have been sold in the roughly three months the model has been on sale, the magazine said. It advises current owners of this vehicle to approach exit ramps with caution, and to call Toyota demanding a fix for the problem. Toyota said earlier the GX 460 "meets or exceeds all federal government testing requirements." 10 best cars: Consumer Reports The SUV's electronic stability control program failed to keep the vehicle in line during a severe handling maneuver, allowing it to slide almost completely sideways, said Douglas Love, Consumer Reports spokesman. That situation could lead to a rollover, Love said. Electronic stability control (ESC) is a computerized system that controls the brakes and accelerator to help maintain vehicle control in abrupt maneuvers. The problem with the Lexus' ESC system became apparent during tests designed to detect a specific emergency handling problem -- one in which a vehicle's back end slides outward when the driver lifts his foot from the gas pedal during a turn. The GX's ESC system did not become active until the SUV had already skidded dangerously, Love said. The test mimics a driver's typical response to encountering an obstacle in the midst of a turn or to finding a turn to be unexpectedly tight. "CR believes that, in real-world driving, that situation could lead to a rollover accident which could cause serious injury or death," the magazine said in a statement. However, Consumer Reports also said in its statement that is not aware of any reports of injuries or deaths caused by the problem. In the test, the SUV was going over 60 miles per hour, said a Consumer Reports spokesman. The problem was not an isolated occurrence, Love said, but occurred during tests conducted by four different Consumer Reports test drivers. To confirm the results, Consumer Reports tested a second GX 460 and found the same problem. "We're in the process of testing the 2010 Lexus GX 460 SUV to ensure it complies with NHTSA's safety standard for electronic stability control ESC, and to understand better the results obtained by Consumers Union reported today," NHTSA spokeswoman Julia Piscitelli said in a statement. "It is our belief that ESC should prevent the kind of fishtail event described." The GX 460 was completely redesigned and re-engineered for the 2010 model year. The problem did not occur on Lexus GX models from prior model years. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the government agency that monitors auto safety in the United States, has no crash test or rollover ratings listed for the GX 460 on its Web site. A NHTSA spokesman could not immediately say the if the government has done crash safety and rollover tests on the vehicle. The problem was also absent during tests of the closely related 2010 Toyota 4Runner SUV, Love said. The 4Runner was also redesigned for the 2010 model year. Electronic stability control systems have proven extremely effective in reducing dangerous single vehicle crashes. According to separate analyses by the privately funded Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Department of Transportation, ESC systems have been shown to reduce the risk of fatal crashes by as much as a third. The systems will be required on all cars by 2012. Lexus is Toyota's luxury division and the company has been facing a public relations crisis surrounding allegations of unintended acceleration in many of its most popular vehicles. In the past year, the automaker has recalled 8 million vehicles worldwide for safety issues.

04-14-2010, 02:46 PM	#9
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Retarded. Toyota has tapped out and allowed themselves to take it up the ass these last few months.

04-14-2010, 03:19 PM	#10
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Another stupid, common sense report. I've seen a corvette roll over.