The sun has been destroyed

[pauldun170]

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...sun.php?ref=mp

[goof2]

Considering that global temperatures are cyclical, a more accurate example would be the global warming crowd seeing the temperature drop when the sun goes down and deciding it is a permanent trend, due to everyone else's carbon emissions (but not theirs), and we must do something about it or the world will end.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by goof2

Considering that global temperatures are cyclical, a more accurate example would be the global warming crowd seeing the temperature drop when the sun goes down and deciding it is a permanent trend, due to everyone else's carbon emissions (but not theirs), and we must do something about it or the world will end.

I totally fucked up this post too. It should have been "temperature raise when the sun comes up". Oh well.

[Papa_Complex]

Much like the climate change deniers saw the cyclical temperature drop in '98/'99 and decided that they didn't want their temperature charts to include '00?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Much like the climate change deniers saw the cyclical temperature drop in '98/'99 and decided that they didn't want their temperature charts to include '00?

It is no longer an issue of science, it is now one of politics. That means facts and truth are out the window in favor of money and power. That goes for both sides. I would say the debate continues but Al Gore won't let me.

[pauldun170]

"Global Warming" = people fail
"Climate Change" = science win

Climate Change causing volatile weather patterns = observational awesome

[Papa_Complex]

The debate may continue politically, but it's essentially over in the science community. The vast preponderance of climatologists, and I do mean VAST, come down on the side of anthropomorphic climate change. Just because there are two views in evidence, that doesn't mean that the truth is by necessity still realistically in contention. If that were the case, then there would be a realistic chance that your government actually blew up the World Trade Center buildings, rather than it just being the wet dream of tinfoil hat-wearing knuckle draggers.

[pauldun170]

Battle of the Chalkboards
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_459206.html

[Dave]

even if we were fucking up the planet wouldnt our time, money, and effort be better spent trying to get off this rock?

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Dave

even if we were fucking up the planet wouldnt our time, money, and effort be better spent trying to get off this rock?

Only in that getting OFF this rock also teaches us how to better husband our resources ON it. So far we have precisely one habitable world at our disposal. Wrecking it isn't the best choice.