Nigerian tried to blow up the plane

[Dave]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Exactly.

That's why the general public gets to vote on who controls businesses.

Wait, that not right is it?

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong about everything?

I'm exhausted just watching you.

JC

you're right, cartoon characters and the undead have no say in corporate policy. How unamerican!

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Save your Einstein rhethoric...it's getting old.

That's right, AMJ! Einstein was intelligent. How dare you try to inject intelligence into a discussion with 101...

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

About the time that you learn that a republic is a specific form of representative democracy.

It is not that either. A representative democracy would be where a congressman finds out what the majority of the people of his state wants and votes that way. They would be bound by law to do so or there would be no point to elections. Just appoint someone to go up there and cast a vote. They campaign on certain platforms but once elected they are not bound to do "the will of the people".

We elect leaders to make decisions on what they feel are best but who are bound by the Constitution (like that means shit anymore).

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

We elect leaders to make decisions on what they feel are best but who are bound by the Constitution (like that means shit anymore).

So now the conversation turns again to GWB? Sorry, but I can think of no other person responsible for shredding the Constitution more than him during my lifetime (and remember Smittie, that's twice yours).

Perhaps, in terms of your argument, bringing Constitutional attacks into this was a bad idea, huh?

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Avatard

So now the conversation turns again to GWB? Sorry, but I can think of no other person responsible for shredding the Constitution more than him during my lifetime (and remember Smittie, that's twice yours).

Perhaps, in terms of your argument, bringing Constitutional attacks into this was a bad idea, huh?

Why the fuck do you think I like President Bush? I think he should have been impeached for McCain-Feingold since he said he felt it was unconstitutional and signed it anyways. He increased the size of government to levels that most Democrats could only imagine in their wet dreams (up until President Obama), yet you think I like that despite I bitch about the size of government and its intrusion into our lives. Personally I don't see why liberals didn't embrace him so much other than the wars.

Which reminds me, I remember in the State of the Union address in 2005 President Bush said he wanted to set up health clinics in rural areas that don't have access to big hospitals and blah, blah, blah. I cringed when I heard that but why didn't you guys embrace it?

[Avatard]

Because liberals are proven better at spotting lies (and sarcasm, and parody, for that matter).

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Because liberals are proven better at spotting lies (and sarcasm, and parody, for that matter).

Did you catch President Bush lying right before he didn't sign the prescription moderization act in 2003 for Medicare with half a trillion dollars?

[Avatard]

Frankly, it became pretty obvious fairly soon in the game (to me, at least) that all that came out of GWB's mouth was crap, so really, I then just assumed that if his mouth was moving, he was probably lying.

[Smittie61984]

Unfortunately, Presidents (and candidates put into office) usually try to fulfill their promises, but they aren't always succesful because of our checks and balances. President Bush couldn't even get congress to move to a very slight privitization of social security despite it was Republican controlled.

Still, when President Obama, Bush, future presidents say they want to do something, I take note because in general they try to do it.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Because liberals are proven better at spotting lies (and sarcasm, and parody, for that matter).

Yeah like..."the 787 Billion Stimulus package is going to stimulate the economy..."

"...healthcare reform isn't going to increase the national debt..."

"...I'm not gonna raise your taxes...."

There are lies are both sides snappy. The best thing is Government least so they quite fucking watering down the dollar (which is down 19% from March this year). Yay