Several people dead in New Jersey mall shooting

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

A shill legally buys firearms in one State, then sells them off to people in another State. Unless they've started up roving bands of Federal firearms inspectors, in the last couple of years, this method works very well for supplying people who wouldn't otherwise qualify for ownership.

"Shilling" works once as a rule and for one gun at a time. Multi Purchases ring alarm bells across the all system. Shilling works best when you Have the ATF telling people to sell you the gun. The actual term though is "Straw Purchase" The most famous "Straw Purchaser" Is Sarah Brady, who lied on a 4473 form to buy bolt action rifle for a family member. Interestingly enough it was a Scoped bolt action center-fire rifle that the Brady campaign described as " Sinister High Powered Snipers rifle"

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

A shill legally buys firearms in one State, then sells them off to people in another State. Unless they've started up roving bands of Federal firearms inspectors, in the last couple of years, this method works very well for supplying people who wouldn't otherwise qualify for ownership.

"Shilling" works once as a rule and for one gun at a time. Multi Purchases ring alarm bells across the all system. Shilling works best when you Have the ATF telling people to sell you the gun. The actual term though is "Straw Purchase" The most famous "Straw Purchaser" Is Sarah Brady, who lied on a 4473 form to buy bolt action rifle for a family member. Interestingly enough it was a Scoped bolt action center-fire rifle that the Brady campaign described as " Sinister High Powered Snipers rifle"
Oh and Yes the ATF routinely performs site checks. Ask anyone in the US who has ever held a FFL

[Papa_Complex]

You don't need a FFL to purchase firearms, in the US, so an individual buyer is unlikely to be subject to a search on that basis.

You buy 10 or 20 pistols. You keep a couple and sell off the rest, to rather unscrupulous folks. Odds are if you never do it again, you'll never be on the Federal RADAR.

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

You don't need a FFL to purchase firearms, in the US, so an individual buyer is unlikely to be subject to a search on that basis.

You buy 10 or 20 pistols. You keep a couple and sell off the rest, to rather unscrupulous folks. Odds are if you never do it again, you'll never be on the Federal RADAR.

Ok, but this specific issue has nothing to do with lack or cohesion of the law (your original complaint), it is an issue of enforcement.

To the larger issue of regulation in general, if DC, NY, Chicago, and other places want to institute wildly unrealistic and unenforceable laws that is their business. Expecting other places to jump on their bandwagon of failure to make everyone feel good is just stupid though.

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

You don't need a FFL to purchase firearms, in the US, so an individual buyer is unlikely to be subject to a search on that basis.

You buy 10 or 20 pistols. You keep a couple and sell off the rest, to rather unscrupulous folks. Odds are if you never do it again, you'll never be on the Federal RADAR.

Papa, I assure you that anyone buying 10 pistols inside of a year moves them into a watch list. Both state and Federal. That said the primary issue you are illustration is that the\re is no law governing private sales in most states. The other weak spot that is exploited far more often that a sales point in the creepy family member that steals and other wise legal fire arm. In Most of those cases the theft goes unnoticed or unreported because no one wants to put uncle McNasty in Jail.

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I can't disagree with the bandwagon comment. We have idiots in Toronto, who think that a gun and bullet ban in the city will somehow end the issue of gang related shootings. I guess that they don't understand that criminals don't really care about the law, nor that a short drive to Mississauga would result in being able to buy bullets.

Somewhat similar to the things that you're commenting on in your first paragraph