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08-06-2010, 12:11 AM
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08-05-2010, 10:12 AM
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AMA Supersport
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Similar stories were everywhere yesterday. I think it is pretty obvious Harley and their union have reached an impasse in negotiations and Harley put this story out there to try and impress upon their union the importance of making concessions. I'm pretty confident the union will still screw it up.
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08-05-2010, 11:44 AM
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Letzroll
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08-05-2010, 10:25 AM
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Get Fit...or Get OUT
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: KS
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Unionized labor...gotta love it.
Union: Of course I deserve $30 bucks an hour and benefits!! Manufacturer: Dude, you push a fucking broom on the shop floor Union: Pay me or I'll strike!!! (Again) Manufacturer: Um....fuck off. I'll go hire Sanchez in Mexico...Ravi in India or Xi in China....anyone of them are willing to work harder than you and for a fraction of the salary you extort from me Union: Greedy big business is killing the working man!! Me: Um....you've had the goose that lays the golden eggs in a fucking choke hold for YEARS and you've finally succeeded in killing it. Congratulations. |
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08-06-2010, 06:41 AM
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mmmm, Beeeer
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South of the D Michigan
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 Unions are killing the industries??? What about white collar, office brats that do the "thinking" of the company to make the "company" more money? BULLSHIT, they are sucking off the corporate American tit just as bad if not WORSE than that of the Union worker. Take DTE Energy for example. Our CEO and the top ten execs suggested a raise for themselves this year : they DOUBLED thier fucking salaries!!!! CEO banked $1mil last year as a salary, now he makes $2 mil. and the other top 10 were doubled as well. Yet during our contract negotiations they opened with a healthcare change that would more than double what we pay out of our checks each month, increase our co-pay by 45%, reduce pentions for current retirees and reduce with future possible elimination of said pention. Oh, and medical once retired for my tier of workers - GONE, NON-EXISTANT, FINITO, NO MORE. And that was just the health care portion. No COLA raises either, as well as some other concessions that I have forgotten as we have ratified a contract that due to the negotiations that lasted 2 months have corrected, with everything pretty much staying the same with some acceptable levels of increase in the healthcare areas and still get some raise, that is actually a raise after the rate hikes in medical. The white collar, non-rep peeps have been working in perks for themselves, too over the years. Take for example the golden parachute clauses when a company exec gets fired or quits he still gets these exorbitant payments that are almost better to keep his sorry ass than fire or let him quit. Not to mention the REDICULOUS salaries that they get payed for sitting behind a desk and drawing up sorry ass plans for this or that project even though they know it will get shot down to help which ever exec's turn it is to shine in the lime light. There is no survival of the fittest in corporate society any more they all take turns on the tit. Taking extravagant "Business Trips", in jets that get them there the fastest, that could be done with a little thing called, Teleconferrencing. I don't see how anyone can sit there and blame the problems of labor costs solely on the union worker. I understand that the union has to protect the jobs of even the sorriest dirtbag that doesn't pull his weight. But, what about that one time when the really good worker, who is human, who is falible, who is always on time, always ready to do the job, always ready put in his share of the work and then some, screws the pooch on something and really deserves the protection so the company doesn't string him up by his balls, "as an example to the rest of ya." There is blame everywhere in the problem, but don't rest it completely on the union man's shoulders. The post above with the broom pushing reference, could it possibly be the 28 year man that is not all that well put together any more and only needs a couple more years till retirement and still deserves that $30/hr pay that he has been getting for the past 7-10 years? If not then let him retire early with the top 3 years pay as a retirement average. Make things plausible and acceptable to these oldtimers. Life is hard in the factory and you put in 30 years in there only to retire and die 5 years later. Thats one thing that has changed, the retirees are living longer and the extended pensions are whats killing the companies driving cost up. If you want that to change then go ahead and vote in those said Democrats and help get that Obama care voted in and make the old folks the responsibility of all people that PAY TAXES, in a different round about way other than paying higher cost for certain luxury items that you want. You can still buy the little piece of shit small econo-class cars and replace them every 5-6 years cheap. You don't NEED the $45K, gas guzzling, road hoggin SUV. Or use, oh no he's gonna say it, "PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION." Or buy the small trimmed down house that has a small carbon footprint. Rather than the HUGE, 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath, great room, den, professional kitchen, dining room, breakfast nook, 3 car garage, in-ground pool, on a postage stamp lot, mansion. People are living way above their means, and can't figure out why the economy is tanking. We buy "EVERYTHING" on CREDIT. Then we realize oh no we can't afford to pay for the Lincoln, the Mansion, the boat, the motorcycles, the 4wheelers, the ........but let me hire this really good bankruptcy lawyer and wash my hands of this debt. Yeah my credit will be screwed for 7 yrs but he will make it so I can keep all my shit. So I guess all of this stems from just ONE evil in society............. KILL ALL THE FUCKING LAWYERS
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08-06-2010, 10:59 AM
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White Trash Hero
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NW Arkansas
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Whoa...
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08-06-2010, 12:00 PM
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AMA Supersport
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Caveman for mothafuckin' President!
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08-06-2010, 12:38 PM
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Letzroll
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lake Norman area, NC
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I can't really disagree with caveman's post...several valid points.
I still hate unions...but they obviously are NOT the only problem in today's business world. |
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08-05-2010, 11:47 AM
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South of Heaven
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Michigan
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Wow.. I guess you fuckers need to get out more often..
Ok a hint - THE MOVIE SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE was filmed in this country.. at least in the nice parts..
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08-05-2010, 12:49 PM
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Soul Man
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