When to slow down

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Notice I still have not said anything bad about say Honda realiability.

and I wasn't saying you were... I was just saying that domestics aren't on par with the imports in reliability... and there's still quite a gap imo... but I do think the imports are getting worse... dunno if domestics are getting better though

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

ok... that's one... and I'm sure we could find 100 people with experiences like yours... but 1000 next to the 20000+ you'll find with Toyota or Honda...

there's a reason why domestic's have the rep they do. sure... they may be working to get rid of that... still along way to go.... sorry

Neighbor back home had a 83 F250 with a 351 in it. Beat the shit out of it, farm truck. Bought it new, NEVER changed the oil. Just the filter, every 10K. I know it hit 280,000 before I went off to college. He still has it and drives it, not sure on current mileage.

[Frostz28]

well Im man enough to admit that this thread has been taken over by people far more intelligent and more experienced that me. I know better than to try to argue with Gas, because he has forgotten more shit than Ill ever know!!! I take his word to be the gospel truth. I just haven't had the chance to swing a leg over to many of the higher priced HDs. Ive had a leg over several but most were pretty well modded and that could have contributed to their poor ride quality. I just could never see why a HD went for nearly twice what say a vulcan would go for. Perhaps theres something to it that I don't know.

As far as american engineering vs. others I still think we have some of the best engineering on the planet. ya we have our flaws but If I have the choice Ill buy american if at all possible. To bad it seems no american company is really interested in jumping into the sport bike market aside from a few buells. Ive only ever driven american cars and trucks, ive taken 5 vehicles over 150k with NO major issues, and one truck over 310,000 miles!!! she was a beast. Still runnin when I got rid of her but the body had completely rusted off her. My current truck is bout to turn over 160k and still runnin strong. my buddy has always driven hondas and while they do run just as long he seems to constantly be getting something little fixed.

I do know a little about unions, long story short they SUCK!!! Im not holding them single handedly responsible for the fall of detroit, they were a big part of it. The vast majority of unions protect lazy workers and drive the cost of production WAY up!

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by The Awesome

Are you suggesting we compare the R&D of Harley, who haven't been innovative in any way since long before I was born, to the Japanese companies who live on the bleeding edge of motorcycle development?

When does that Harley GP bike come out again?

HD isn't and prob never will make a GP bike. That's not what they are trying to do either.
I don't know all the details, but HD has made a lot of changes/inovations in the last 20+ years. Trust me, a 1989 HD is not the same as a 2009 HD.

As for the jap bikes... compare the first models to HD's of years prior. There were a LOT of similarities. who copied who?