Companies do NOT care...

fnfalman · 07-07-2010, 12:58 PM

Even when they get good wages, good benefits, there will be those running around frothing at the mouth yelling, "Company doesn't care."

I say that if you don't think that your company give a rat's ass about you and you don't like it, then get another job with a different company.

Papa_Complex · 07-07-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Even when they get good wages, good benefits, there will be those running around frothing at the mouth yelling, "Company doesn't care."

I say that if you don't think that your company give a rat's ass about you and you don't like it, then get another job with a different company.

It's a little late to do that when you've been depending on them for something, and they screw you.

shmike · 07-07-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It's a little late to do that when you've been depending on them for something, and they screw you.

Sounds like Prudential is screwing her, not MBUSA.

Papa_Complex · 07-07-2010, 01:21 PM

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Sounds like Prudential is screwing her, not MBUSA.

The company is screwing her for not acting as an advocate for the group insurance policy that they provide.

For purpose of full disclosure I will admit to being quite biased in this issue, because a friend went through similar treatment from her employer regarding her LTD benefits, after almost losing her leg in a motorcycle racing incident.

OneSickPsycho · 07-07-2010, 02:09 PM

While I am sympathetic to this situation, a company's job is to protect the company... make money. Everything it does should be related to just that... making money and avoiding losses.

HR's function is no different. They are there to bring in people who will make and/or save the company, fire people who don't, and protect the company from employee related lawsuits. That's it.

It would be all great and fantastic if the company would step in and handle this, but frankly expecting them to do so is unrealistic and pretty selfish.

As far as having an HR rep contact the insurance... does anyone really think that would help? The insurance company and HR got together long ago to iron out a contract to get a certain rate on a certain package... that's it. Beyond that, they have no business together. If the insurance was mandatory for all employees, then HR would have some stake in it, but otherwise it's not their insurance... it's your insurance.

It's like if someone on here put together a group buy for a Chatterbox or something... Mine comes and it's all fucked up... I'm not gonna PM the guy who put together the buy, I'm going to call the place who sent it to me.

Sucks and it would be great if it were different, but that's the reality of the situation. Get a lawyer.

Kaneman · 07-07-2010, 02:58 PM

I contend that they can actually make more money by taking care of their employees and being known for it within their own walls.

Edit: I should elaborate on that. When word gets around that people can't depend on being able to keep their homes or vehicles if one of their kids gets hurt, that is going to have a direct effect on morale. When people are pissed off at the company they're working for, they're not going to work as hard, and they're going to intentionally screw things up. Anyone who's worked in a corporate office enviornment has probably seen that happen over and over again.

But if you're proud of the company you work for, and you feel like they have your back, then you're not going to intentionally fuck them or steal time. Very simple stuff.

Papa_Complex · 07-07-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

I contend that they can actually make more money by taking care of their employees and being known for it within their own walls.

Seems to work for Toyota where workers are given what they have to bargain for, at other manufacturers.

OneSickPsycho · 07-07-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

I contend that they can actually make more money by taking care of their employees and being known for it within their own walls.

Maybe, but saying they don't care isn't necessarily true... and saying that the HR rep would have more pull or be able to do anything for you is a bit of a stretch.

Amber Lamps · 07-07-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

I contend that they can actually make more money by taking care of their employees and being known for it within their own walls.

Edit: I should elaborate on that. When word gets around that people can't depend on being able to keep their homes or vehicles if one of their kids gets hurt, that is going to have a direct effect on morale. When people are pissed off at the company they're working for, they're not going to work as hard, and they're going to intentionally screw things up. Anyone who's worked in a corporate office enviornment has probably seen that happen over and over again.

But if you're proud of the company you work for, and you feel like they have your back, then you're not going to intentionally fuck them or steal time. Very simple stuff.

Or you pay for the supplemental insurance that is/was offered by the company...I don't know how many times people turn down supplemental coverage and later get mad when they aren't covered... the blame almost always goes to the company... I'm sorry bro but I just can't see how the company is responsible for making her insurance claims for her.

Amber Lamps · 07-07-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

While I am sympathetic to this situation, a company's job is to protect the company... make money. Everything it does should be related to just that... making money and avoiding losses.

HR's function is no different. They are there to bring in people who will make and/or save the company, fire people who don't, and protect the company from employee related lawsuits. That's it.

It would be all great and fantastic if the company would step in and handle this, but frankly expecting them to do so is unrealistic and pretty selfish.

As far as having an HR rep contact the insurance... does anyone really think that would help? The insurance company and HR got together long ago to iron out a contract to get a certain rate on a certain package... that's it. Beyond that, they have no business together. If the insurance was mandatory for all employees, then HR would have some stake in it, but otherwise it's not their insurance... it's your insurance.

It's like if someone on here put together a group buy for a Chatterbox or something... Mine comes and it's all fucked up... I'm not gonna PM the guy who put together the buy, I'm going to call the place who sent it to me.

Sucks and it would be great if it were different, but that's the reality of the situation. Get a lawyer.

100% agreement.

07-07-2010, 12:58 PM	#1
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OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	While I am sympathetic to this situation, a company's job is to protect the company... make money. Everything it does should be related to just that... making money and avoiding losses. HR's function is no different. They are there to bring in people who will make and/or save the company, fire people who don't, and protect the company from employee related lawsuits. That's it. It would be all great and fantastic if the company would step in and handle this, but frankly expecting them to do so is unrealistic and pretty selfish. As far as having an HR rep contact the insurance... does anyone really think that would help? The insurance company and HR got together long ago to iron out a contract to get a certain rate on a certain package... that's it. Beyond that, they have no business together. If the insurance was mandatory for all employees, then HR would have some stake in it, but otherwise it's not their insurance... it's your insurance. It's like if someone on here put together a group buy for a Chatterbox or something... Mine comes and it's all fucked up... I'm not gonna PM the guy who put together the buy, I'm going to call the place who sent it to me. Sucks and it would be great if it were different, but that's the reality of the situation. Get a lawyer. Last edited by OneSickPsycho; 07-07-2010 at 02:11 PM..

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Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	I contend that they can actually make more money by taking care of their employees and being known for it within their own walls. Edit: I should elaborate on that. When word gets around that people can't depend on being able to keep their homes or vehicles if one of their kids gets hurt, that is going to have a direct effect on morale. When people are pissed off at the company they're working for, they're not going to work as hard, and they're going to intentionally screw things up. Anyone who's worked in a corporate office enviornment has probably seen that happen over and over again. But if you're proud of the company you work for, and you feel like they have your back, then you're not going to intentionally fuck them or steal time. Very simple stuff. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Last edited by Kaneman; 07-07-2010 at 03:05 PM..