bad credit, here's the answer

RACER X · 12-22-2009, 09:19 AM

By Candice Choi, AP Personal Finance Writer , On Thursday December 17, 2009, 6:38 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- It's no mistake. This credit card's interest rate is 79.9 percent.

The bloated APR is how First Premier Bank, a subprime credit card issuer, is skirting new regulations intended to curb abusive practices in the industry. It's a strategy other subprime card issuers could start adopting to get around the new rules.

Typically, the First Premier card comes with a minimum of $256 in fees in the first year for a credit line of $250. Starting in February, however, a new law will cap such fees at 25 percent of a card's credit line.

In a recent mailing for a preapproved card, First Premier lowers fees to just that limit -- $75 in the first year for a credit line of $300. But the new law doesn't set a cap on interest rates. Hence the 79.9 APR, up from the previous 9.9 percent.

"It's the highest on the market. It's the highest we've ever seen," said Anuj Shahani, an analyst with Synovate, a research firm that tracks credit card mailings.

The terms are eyebrow raising, but First Premier targets people with bad credit who likely can't get approved for cards elsewhere. It's a group that tends to lean heavily on credit too, meaning they'll likely incur the steep financing charges.

So for a $300 balance, a cardholder would pay about $20 a month in interest.

First Premier said the 79.9 APR offer is a test and that it's too early to tell whether it will be continued, according to an e-mailed statement. To comply with the new law, the bank said it will no longer offer the card that has $256 in first-year fees as of Feb. 21, 2010. However, customers will still be able to use their existing cards. The bank said "no final decisions" have been made regarding any rate changes for those cards.

First Premier noted that it needed to "price our product based on the risk associated with this market."

The bank declined to specify how many people were offered the 79.9 APR card.

According to First Premier's Web site, the credit cards are serviced by its sister organization Premier Bankcard. The company, based in Sioux Falls, S.D., says Premier Bankcard is the 10th largest issuer of MasterCard and Visa cards in the country, with more than 3.5 million customers.

In a mailing sent to prospective customers in October with the revamped terms, First Premier writes "...you might have less-than-perfect credit and we're OK with that." The letter notes that an online application or phone call is still required, but guarantees a 60-second status confirmation.

The letter also states there are no hidden fees that aren't disclosed in the attached form. That's where the 79.9 percent interest rate and $75 annual fee are listed. There's also $29 penalty if you pay late or go over your $300 credit limit.

Even if First Premier doesn't stick with the 79.9 APR, it will likely hike rates considerably from the current 9.9 percent to offset the lower fees, said Shahani of Synovate.

The revamped terms may not be the only changes; First Premier also appears to be moving away from the riskiest borrowers.

The bank typically mails offers to subprime households, meaning those with credit scores below 700. In the third quarter, however, 84 percent of its offers were sent to subprime households, down from 91 percent the same period last year, according to Synovate.

First Premier could be cleaning up its credit card portfolio since the new regulations will limit its ability to raise interest rates. That could mean First Premier won't issue cards as liberally to those with bad credit.

As harsh as First Premier's terms seem, that could be a blow to those who rely on the card, said Odysseas Papadimitriou, CEO of CardHub.com.

"Even when the cost of credit is astronomical, for people in true emergencies, it's much better than not having access to credit," said Papadimitriou.

Until Feb. 21, First Premier is still offering its even-higher-fee card online. So the price for credit the bank charges is at least $256 in first-year fees.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Credit....html?x=0&.v=4

Particle Man · 12-22-2009, 09:47 AM

and they wonder why everyone thinks CC companies are a bunch of crooks...

RACER X · 12-22-2009, 09:52 AM

ok, but if you sign up for it, is it not also your own fault?

Dragonpaco · 12-22-2009, 12:01 PM

everything is everyone's fault if you examine it close enough. but at some point you have to call shenanigans on shit like this. just because you have a vault and tellers doesn't make you any less of a loan shark when you charge people 79.9% interest. companies like this one prey on people who dont think for themselves. which would be fine if it was just available and people know about it, but sending pre approved letters out specifically to people who already fucked up their credit is fucking ridiculous.

tached1000rr · 12-22-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonpaco

everything is everyone's fault if you examine it close enough. but at some point you have to call shenanigans on shit like this. just because you have a vault and tellers doesn't make you any less of a loan shark when you charge people 79.9% interest. companies like this one prey on people who dont think for themselves. which would be fine if it was just available and people know about it, but sending pre approved letters out specifically to people who already fucked up their credit is fucking ridiculous.

amen!

RACER X · 12-22-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonpaco

everything is everyone's fault if you examine it close enough. but at some point you have to call shenanigans on shit like this. just because you have a vault and tellers doesn't make you any less of a loan shark when you charge people 79.9% interest. companies like this one prey on people who dont think for themselves. which would be fine if it was just available and people know about it, but sending pre approved letters out specifically to people who already fucked up their credit is fucking ridiculous.

ok, but is that any diff. then say a furniture store marking up their stuff 300% (from what i've heard) isn't it up to the consumer to make such a "stupid" decision?

or a $21000 cel phone bill.....lol

Dragonpaco · 12-22-2009, 12:17 PM

these people have already demonstrated that they make bad decisions. it's not a piece of furniture getting marked up. it's a letter being sent to them, telling them that despite the fact that they are completely irresponsible and can not get credit anywhere else, this company will give them another chance with their credit card. i'd be surprised if they get past the first line in the letter before signing the app and sending it in.

RACER X · 12-22-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonpaco

these people have already demonstrated that they make bad decisions. it's not a piece of furniture getting marked up. it's a letter being sent to them, telling them that despite the fact that they are completely irresponsible and can not get credit anywhere else, this company will give them another chance with their credit card. i'd be surprised if they get past the first line in the letter before signing the app and sending it in.

and can you blame the co. for trying to make $? look at the risk they are taking.........there's a cost associated w/ that. should they charge the ? % rate that normal CC co's charge, even though their risk is higher?

shmike · 12-22-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonpaco

these people have already demonstrated that they make bad decisions. it's not a piece of furniture getting marked up. it's a letter being sent to them, telling them that despite the fact that they are completely irresponsible and can not get credit anywhere else, this company will give them another chance with their credit card. i'd be surprised if they get past the first line in the letter before signing the app and sending it in.

So the company is "bad" for advertising to their target market?

They are wrong to attempt to earn a profit while dealing with high-risk individuals?

z06boy · 12-22-2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Particle Man

and they wonder why everyone thinks CC companies are a bunch of crooks...

Exactly

12-22-2009, 09:19 AM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	bad credit, here's the answer By Candice Choi, AP Personal Finance Writer , On Thursday December 17, 2009, 6:38 pm EST NEW YORK (AP) -- It's no mistake. This credit card's interest rate is 79.9 percent. The bloated APR is how First Premier Bank, a subprime credit card issuer, is skirting new regulations intended to curb abusive practices in the industry. It's a strategy other subprime card issuers could start adopting to get around the new rules. Typically, the First Premier card comes with a minimum of $256 in fees in the first year for a credit line of $250. Starting in February, however, a new law will cap such fees at 25 percent of a card's credit line. In a recent mailing for a preapproved card, First Premier lowers fees to just that limit -- $75 in the first year for a credit line of $300. But the new law doesn't set a cap on interest rates. Hence the 79.9 APR, up from the previous 9.9 percent. "It's the highest on the market. It's the highest we've ever seen," said Anuj Shahani, an analyst with Synovate, a research firm that tracks credit card mailings. The terms are eyebrow raising, but First Premier targets people with bad credit who likely can't get approved for cards elsewhere. It's a group that tends to lean heavily on credit too, meaning they'll likely incur the steep financing charges. So for a $300 balance, a cardholder would pay about $20 a month in interest. First Premier said the 79.9 APR offer is a test and that it's too early to tell whether it will be continued, according to an e-mailed statement. To comply with the new law, the bank said it will no longer offer the card that has $256 in first-year fees as of Feb. 21, 2010. However, customers will still be able to use their existing cards. The bank said "no final decisions" have been made regarding any rate changes for those cards. First Premier noted that it needed to "price our product based on the risk associated with this market." The bank declined to specify how many people were offered the 79.9 APR card. According to First Premier's Web site, the credit cards are serviced by its sister organization Premier Bankcard. The company, based in Sioux Falls, S.D., says Premier Bankcard is the 10th largest issuer of MasterCard and Visa cards in the country, with more than 3.5 million customers. In a mailing sent to prospective customers in October with the revamped terms, First Premier writes "...you might have less-than-perfect credit and we're OK with that." The letter notes that an online application or phone call is still required, but guarantees a 60-second status confirmation. The letter also states there are no hidden fees that aren't disclosed in the attached form. That's where the 79.9 percent interest rate and $75 annual fee are listed. There's also $29 penalty if you pay late or go over your $300 credit limit. Even if First Premier doesn't stick with the 79.9 APR, it will likely hike rates considerably from the current 9.9 percent to offset the lower fees, said Shahani of Synovate. The revamped terms may not be the only changes; First Premier also appears to be moving away from the riskiest borrowers. The bank typically mails offers to subprime households, meaning those with credit scores below 700. In the third quarter, however, 84 percent of its offers were sent to subprime households, down from 91 percent the same period last year, according to Synovate. First Premier could be cleaning up its credit card portfolio since the new regulations will limit its ability to raise interest rates. That could mean First Premier won't issue cards as liberally to those with bad credit. As harsh as First Premier's terms seem, that could be a blow to those who rely on the card, said Odysseas Papadimitriou, CEO of CardHub.com. "Even when the cost of credit is astronomical, for people in true emergencies, it's much better than not having access to credit," said Papadimitriou. Until Feb. 21, First Premier is still offering its even-higher-fee card online. So the price for credit the bank charges is at least $256 in first-year fees. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Credit....html?x=0&.v=4 __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

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